Planning for the Future

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When Amanda first posted about us (mainly me) being concerned with our lack-luster number of RSS subscribers – ie: less than 5,000 – It came across as a “why do our numbers suck” post, and that’s a fine question for us to be asking, our numbers do need improving just in a general sense.

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But I’m less concerned with specifically the RSS stats, and more with our lack of tools in place to prepare ourselves for the future.

Even if our blog has subscribers in the thousands, we have nothing in place right now to make the best use of that readership. And that, out of everything, is what I stress about the most. Mainly because it’s a problem I don’t have the technical skills to solve on my own, but also because for every week that goes by, on editing and writing, it’s another week we have make-up for in the future.

I have ideas on what tools I think we need, and I’ve been searching, within my little social circle, for someone qualified to help build them. And I’m interested in building tools that would help every filmmaker, and even beyond that, tools that could easily be used for projects of any kind.

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I’m not a fan of forums, I’ve never been able to get into them or find them efficient – even in the 90s, when that’s all there was outside of IRC. And there are a handful of tools, like Ning, that allow you to structure your own social network, but I’m snot ure a network, or a forum, is exactly what an indie film “movement” needs.

Before I talk about the two tools I’ve been thinking about the most, I wanted to stress that my main motivation behind worrying about this at all: is planning for the worst (or to be realistic, planning for the most likely). It’s highly unlikely that For Thousands of Miles will blow people away at Sundance. Hell, it’s unlikely it will even get into Sundance. It’s even more unlikely that the film will be picked up by any distribution house. It’s even more unlikely beyond that, that even if we got an offer for distribution we would take it. Amanda and I have come way too far with this film to sell it away for a next-to-nothing first-time-filmmakers compensation, loose all our control of the film, have them make a half-assed attempt at a theatrical run, and be stuck in a shitty DVD-release contract.

So, I want to plan on distributing this film ourselves. I don’t want to spend a great deal of energy and time cutting For Thousands of Miles, and then, when it’s complete, have it sit on a shelf and collect dust because we didn’t have a plan B in place. It is time for Amanda and I to start putting into motion the audience now that will want to see the film later. So we can hit the ground running when it’s ready to be seen.

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Okay, two quick tools: A basic map-based request tool. Arin and Susan of Four Eyed Monsters used a Google Maps mash-up, plus a piece of code a friend wrote to allow those interested to put their name and zip down. Once that number reached a certain point, it was enough for Arin and Susan to cold-call theaters, which got them several screenings of their film all over the country.

I’m working on a map that has “phases” to it, all states begin at phase 1, all states have a low, realistic goal of needed request. Once a state reaches that first goal, let’s say California needs 100 people to complete the first phase, it moves onto phase 2 and Amanda and I are required to dump more resources there with the people interested in the film. Using the first 100 request as a stepping-stone, asking those people to see if their friends would like to request the film, and so on. Mailing out flyers and buttons to those people. Branching out in baby-steps. I have the map designed, and the state-shaped-links are all entered into a basic template… but I’m having issues building a smart request tool around it.

Which brings me to the second tool I’ve been thinking about. Amanda and I had lunch the other afternoon with the lovely Jessica Stover, from Artemis Eternal, near the end of our lunch, we started talking about Twitter. Jessica said that Twitter seems to be nearing the point where a filmmaker could almost drive their entire movement with Twitter alone. Which got me thinking about Facebook Connect, which then got me thinking about Twitter Connect (which doesn’t exist… yet).

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A tool that I would give anything for; would be the ability to have people interested in the film, request it not with a basic “fill in your general info here” box, but to link their request to their twitter account. Allowing you to build a movement not enclosed on a forum, but open on Twitter’s timeline. It’s such a simple, powerful, immediate tool that tying it into a film’s network of fans would be very interesting.

Giving you options of having people’s activity on your map, or community, be broadcast automatically to their stream (if they want it to).

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With the way things generally work now, a person would fill in their info for the map, request the film, be taken to a thank you page that ask them to also twitter about it. I’m sure someone out there is working on such a tool for general use, but in any case, I am looking for people savvy enough to code it.

Online tools are always presenting themselves, and people are always looking for new ways to take those tools and expand on them. Indie filmmakers stand to gain so much by re-packaging those tools to best fit their project. Do you have a project of your own? How are you planning for the future?

  • Adam Mutchler
    Mike,

    It was nice meeting you and the crew last night after the meetup. I'm liking the blog... gotta subscribe. Really interesting grass roots tools you're looking to build. Do you know how withoutabox.com 's critical mass ticketing is going? They were acquired by imdb/amazon I think and are located here in LA, but have been working on a similar idea... Is it out yet? Don't know if the tools are fully built or if they are building them, but you might want to share some of the ideas and tools with them. You might end up with some programming love or a better tool from them a couple months down the line.

    - Adam Mutchler
  • it was really great to meet you, adam :) thanks for hanging out with us. you had so many interesting stories. hope to see you again sometime. and please keep commenting! we'd always love to hear your feed back.
  • Hey Adam :) Yes, it was awesome meeting you too. Thanks so much for coming to the cafe' with us.

    I hadn't even heard of that project! :( I mean, we're on Withoutabox, but I wasn't aware they were working on that. I think I'm gonna have to try to track someone down at their offices and see if they'd like to talk *fingers crossed*

    Thanks for mentioning this - I'm really excited about this :)
  • yo. is this up? did I miss something?
  • Hey Hedge :) Nope, nothing is live yet. Still looking for people to help build both these tools. You know anyone?
  • Brian Chirls just did the huge myspace thing where he used the secret genius code. Ideally Lance Weiler and the theatre map would be linked to the request map directly.... so that once the numbers starting hitting the right target ammounts, the friggin theatres would automatically start screening the films....

    FEM guys started getting the name email and zip via constant contact for their mailing list, then plugged that all into the map that Brian built....

    PEACE.
  • Yea :) The day that a filmmaker can use an embed/request map tool that automatically flags theaters when a number is hit will be a great day.

    We've also been collecting zip codes for everyone who is subscribed to the newsletter, those people will be the first to beta test the request map when it's built.
  • drewf
    Hi Mike I am currently working on an email to send you about maybe helping out with the technical stuff, but I had a thought that I figured would be better shared with the community for discussion.

    Maybe I am a rare case in this, but I am someone who really got into the Four Eyed Monsters video podcasts, and signed up to see a movie and drove an hour from Santa Barbara to LA to see the Movie, and to be honest didn't think the movie was very good. So now I am kind of skeptical about good video podcasts = good movie.

    To get to my point maybe the idea of theatrical screening to DVD release needs to be rethought. It's very much a catch 22, in that in order to get word of mouth you need to get people to see the movie, and in order to get people to see the movie you need word of mouth. So maybe something like a round of internet releases, and then a round of marketing for screenings would be better? The downside is a lot of people that would otherwise have gone to the theatre might not go because they didn't like the internet version. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing because I feel it is an old world macro community thinking. That is to try and make money off of people who wouldn't or don't like the movie. I think the new micro community philosophy should be okay will "loosing" the people who don't like the movie, and to really cultivate the shit out of the people who really love it.

    It's not the best idea, but I feel like it is something worth discussing.
  • Hey Drewf :) That is great - I'm looking forward to your email!

    I'm with you on FEM, I watched from the early episodes, and I requested the film, although I didn't drive as far as you to see it. But I also thought it was an enjoyable film, and I was eager to buy it from Borders when it was on the shelves.

    But in any case, you're right, good video podcast do not translate in good films necessarily. I worry about that with Pedal all the time... I'm afraid people will find For Thousands of Miles too slow... and maybe boring.

    By "a round of internet releases", do you mean chop the finished film into segments and space them out online?

    As for people not going to the film because they didn't like what they saw online, that's fine with me, I'd rather have people shut the page if they didn't like it as opposed to leave the theatre because they can't get into the film :)
  • drewf
    Hi Mike,
    Yeah that is was I was thinking with internet releases. That is showing segments of the film and getting excitement from that. The more I think about it though, it serves the same purpose you are trying to achieve with the teasers and podcast. I was drinking a lot of coffee that day thought it was way more profound at the time. You got to my point though that a good podcast doesn't make a good movie, and it should be factored into the thought process of trying to get people excited about the movie.
  • drewf
    Now that I have re-read my comment, it comes off a little like its only about money, and to cairify (why disquss doesn't have an edit feature I don't know) I was trying to say its not about the money, but about cultivating the people who really love the movie, and not caring about the ones who don't.
  • No, no :) I didn't take it as a money thing - I got that you were saying really hold onto the people who love the film... as opposed to a wide-net of just anyone who will go see it :P
  • check it. I'm going to volunteer tonight at WABA (Washington Area Bike Association) and want to make more friends in the biking community here in the DC area. Since I'm already a big fan it's not going to be too hard to explain the premise. I'm also still in the works with my website design almost done. btw how did you get a twitter
    bar on the top of your blog page?
  • Hey Jon :) I just checked out their website - looks very cool. Their bicycle valet at the inauguration thingy.

    Thanks for helping spread the word! I hope we hear from some of the people in WABA.

    You should be able to easily grab the twitter code from this page's source code :) all of it is in one spot in the template. Let me know if it's not working for you.
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